The marathon prediction equation produced by Tanda (2011) did not look at the performance of any sub-elite runners, his fastest was 2:47. In this post I have added in some data from a few faster runners - the results are surprising. |
In the last post I talked a bit about Tanda (2011) and how his group of 22 runners trained in terms of average distance and pace over an 8 week period. I ended-up showing this graph (Figure 1) which demonstrates that most marathon runners tend to train in rather similar ways - at least in terms of the average speed and distance - there are no runners to the right of the thick black line.
I thought it might be useful to see whether this is generally the case - or whether there is something odd about Tanda's dataset. I thought the first person I could look at is me! I have a lot of marathon performances from BEFORE I knew about the Tanda prediction equation from when I was training in a normal fashion with Cambridge and Coleridge Athletics Club. It might also be a good test of the general applicability of the Tanda equation. Whilst Tanda's paper was subject to peer review, that is it was read and vetted by experts in the field, it is possible that it only applies to Italian marathon runners training in an Italian fashion on an Italian diet etc. etc.......
In Figure 2 I have plotted my distribution of training averages for 10 marathons over a two year period from 2011 together with Tanda's dataset.
Figure 2. The Tanda dataset (black circles) and mine for 10 marathons from 2011 to 2013. My training looks very similar to the Tanda runners in terms of distance and pace. |
It is clear that during this period I was training in a very similar space - but, did my training produce the performance the Tanda prediction equation suggests it should have. In Figure 3 I have plotted my Tanda prediction from the pace and distance against my actual performance time.
Figure 3. My Tanda prediction time for 10 marathons plotted against my actual performance time all from before I knew about the equation. The correlation coefficient is surprisingly high. |
It appears that the Tanda prediction equation rather closely matches my actual performances. Indeed, it is rather surprising since not all of the marathons went 'to plan'. If I remove the marathons with 'odd' (toilet-related) events (which we do not need to discuss here) then the fit is considerably better (r2=0.91).
I have found some runners who lie to the right of the thick black line in Figure 1 - and they are fast runners. In Figure 4. I show data for 4 fast marathon runners - Nathan Kilcourse, Frank Berersford &
Jonathan Walton all at the Yorkshire Marathon (2015) and Aly Dixon at Berlin. Interestingly they suggest that runners tend to train with their average distance and pace around a curve (indicated in Figure 4).
Now it is worth wondering whether Tanda's formula predicts these faster runners' times. In Figure 5. I have plotted their predictions against their performances.
So, my conclusion is that there are areas of training space that could be occupied by runners - but is not generally used. The prediction equation seems to be able to extrapolate to faster runners that operate within the normal training curve (red line in Figure 4). This led me to wonder whether it might also work in the area of training space which might be occupied by dragons. The benefit of training in that region becomes clear when the Tanda prediction contours are plotted (Figure 6).
Next: What makes you faster, pace or distance?.
I have found some runners who lie to the right of the thick black line in Figure 1 - and they are fast runners. In Figure 4. I show data for 4 fast marathon runners - Nathan Kilcourse, Frank Berersford &
Jonathan Walton all at the Yorkshire Marathon (2015) and Aly Dixon at Berlin. Interestingly they suggest that runners tend to train with their average distance and pace around a curve (indicated in Figure 4).
Now it is worth wondering whether Tanda's formula predicts these faster runners' times. In Figure 5. I have plotted their predictions against their performances.
So, my conclusion is that there are areas of training space that could be occupied by runners - but is not generally used. The prediction equation seems to be able to extrapolate to faster runners that operate within the normal training curve (red line in Figure 4). This led me to wonder whether it might also work in the area of training space which might be occupied by dragons. The benefit of training in that region becomes clear when the Tanda prediction contours are plotted (Figure 6).
Next: What makes you faster, pace or distance?.
What's the correlation coefficient of your marathon times against the logarithmic equation Tanda posited? It feels like the conclusion is better described as 'I can create a custom formula using mileage and average pace as explanatory variables that works for me alone'.
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